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Battlefield 2 => Server Info and Discussion => Ban Appeals => Topic started by: Berserker on January 11, 2014, 11:48:25 PM

Title: Banned from server
Post by: Berserker on January 11, 2014, 11:48:25 PM
My ingame is {RaGE}Berserker,  I just got banned by an admin under the name of zjbrandon or something for running unmodified content?  I am not sure what his status is as far as senior admin or junior admin but he has banned about 6 or 7 players at once for this reason.  He is a loose cannon and is killing the server.  I want some proof of these bogus accusations,  you will not find anything besides the fact we play as a squad.  We are competitive gamers and play together really well.  We were not team stacking or breaking any rules.  Brandon just banned us because he knows we are good and couldn't find any other reason to ban us.  I doubt this ban will be removed, but if there is a decent admin with any kind of integrity you should consider removing the ban.  We help populate the server and have been playing this game scince it's release.  Please look into this asap or I fear your server will be dead by the end of the month. thank you.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Berserker on January 11, 2014, 11:56:28 PM
One more thing, If this ban does not get removed DO NOT expect to be playing in the =1OG= vehicles server.  This goes for ALL of the admins of this server.  Unless some of you get together and can resolve this,  We too will ban for bogus reasons.  Tit for tat.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Bert on January 12, 2014, 12:05:17 AM
*[nM]* B3rt06. You banned me as well. For being good or something I think?
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: durtyone on January 12, 2014, 12:59:28 AM
I am a Sr. Admin with One Option gaming. Both Bert and Rage the 35th are admins there as well. Berserker was an admin but stopped paying his dues for some reason or other.

Do you really think we let people, let alone admins, run on our server with modified content. And really, how is it that you came to this conclusion? What site, or program did you use that told you this AS A FACT? I'll tell you as an admin myself, is there is nothing you can use, unless the person tells you themselves. One of the only exceptions may be folks that run a macro for the TV missile, but even this is hard to spot, unless you know what you are looking at.

 There are some extremely talented gamers out there playing this game, who know what teamwork is about. A good squad with medics, like nM are a frightful sight for the other team.

And as far as your statement of, "we won't let them come here and run are server out", the One Option Gaming server never gets emptied when they are on.

Since they are at your mercy, please reconsider this ban. Ask yourself if banning innocent players is something that you can live with and want to be known for.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Exumify on January 12, 2014, 07:29:40 AM
Will be back with you shortly, Sir.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: ZJbrandon on January 12, 2014, 03:06:44 PM
@Beserker:
I am the server owner and of course one of the many admins.
There were 4 nM tags that were banned, not 6 or 7.
*[nM]* RaGE.thE-35th
*[nM]* {RaGE}Berserker
*[nM]* |3and|T
*[nM]* theweedpower
As far as I know, rules were not broken, but you were indeed stacked when I took a look, and even locked squads at one point.
I used the term "modified content" in the ban as a generic reason, so is not entirely accurate, and I apologize for lack of clarity on that.

A group of admins on this server discussed the situation heavily before I pulled the trigger on it.
I have my own experiences with some of nM from when I was in ATF, and they were not good.
Some of my other admins have their own experiences that were also not positive.
Some were accused of hacking, others were disrespectful and just disruptive to the server.
Now, I know that nM has been banned off several other servers for basically the same thing, some think you guys hack, some just see that you stack up and kick so much ass that the servers players are extremely frustrated.

So, the bottom line is...
I personally don't think ALL of nM is squeaky clean, but I have observed that you guys do play extremely well, and are former competitive players.
Even IF you guys are all legitimate, your high level gameplay is not a good fit for our server, you can come in and own up the regular base player population in a very detrimental way. Most of us have also been playing since game release, however, we have a different perspective of the game than hardcore comp. players, much more about chilling out and having fun, and less about pure ownage uber-leet skills. Those skills would be better used in a professional or competitive server, where the players are more well matched.

I'm sure you all have heard this before, but at the end of the day, it is us who pay for the server, and have every right to refuse players as we see fit. Of course, we want players here and kicking or banning seems unproductive, but we are ultimately in a position to "protect" our servers fun level.

Someone said to me, you guys on our server is like an NFL football team going head to head against some high school football team. I agree.

If 1OG is where you guys fit in better, so be it. Threatening to ban me or my admins over there is a pointless power throw. Obviously 1OG can and will admin their server however they see fit, it's THEIR server and they have that right, just like we do here.

The admins here will continue to discuss this, and whether or not we should un-ban.
I will ask for a vote among all the admins, and see how to proceed.

@TNT Admins:
feel free to post your thoughts on this here, or get with me in vent on whether we consider un-banning these 4 nM players.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Exumify on January 12, 2014, 03:45:59 PM
IF you guys get un-banned, then maybe you shouldn't stack yourself on one team and run everyone over with a freaking spaceship, but rather play against each other?
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Bert on January 12, 2014, 06:01:17 PM
I have a couple things to say.
First: you are correct. I was banned on the account *[nM]* theweedpower not *[nM]* B3rt06. my main account is B3rt06 and wear the tags *[nM]* on that account as well.
Secont: you are correct, again. I am, or was, banned from ATF. I think I was too good for that server too, they never gave me a legit reason for still being banned.  They tried saying I macro at one point, but after many tedious conversations, they came to the realization I don't.
Third: We do play mainly on 1OG where I am an admin and have been for a while.  The head admins of 1OG have told me if there is any players that join the server I feel should be banned, I am free to do so.  This includes other clans that have banned me from their server. I wont be questioned on this.
Fourth: to say we were stacking teams is just pure bull shit.  You obviously were not watching us very long.  We played multiple rounds on separate teams to keep the server balanced. I believe there was 7 of us total on your server playing together, all in our vent together, and we were against each other many times.  All 7 of us were never on the same team. Besides, doesnt your server randomize teams? like common... 
Fifth: When we joined the server, there was maybe 14 people on it, not including us, and the server continued to get more populated after we joined, or at least stayed as populated as when we first joined.  The few that remain in the bf2 community, know the clan nM. A lot of people follow us where we go to play with/against us.
Sixth: All of nM isnt exactly squeaky clean? show me something that shows any current nM players that have hacked before. Yes, we play competitive. Yes, we like to win. Yes, we are good. But we are fair. We are a team of integrity.
Seventh and final: If you chose to unban us, we are not going to change the way we play to accommodate you. We will play bf2 as we always have, with a winning mentality by team play.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Q-IC_H2O on January 12, 2014, 06:04:43 PM
what a way to talk to the server admin...
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Bert on January 12, 2014, 06:08:36 PM
I should also add a few videos to my response in case you need an idea of what its like to be me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCl9EUEgOwM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vI70_EGDHOs

Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Bert on January 12, 2014, 06:09:07 PM
what a way to talk to the server admin...
Clearly I care. A lot.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Q-IC_H2O on January 12, 2014, 07:15:20 PM
lol i saw ur vids on youtube and as a player who has lots of experience, u are full of shit the way u make ur kills is unreal! expecialy on the first video at the end with tv killing that jet actually most of them are unreal...
but im glad that u enjoy cheating to get ur kills it proves how profesional u are...
no further comment! ....
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: durtyone on January 12, 2014, 07:40:21 PM
lol i saw ur vids on youtube and as a player who has lots of experience, u are full of shit the way u make ur kills is unreal! expecialy on the first video at the end with tv killing that jet actually most of them are unreal...
but im glad that u enjoy cheating to get ur kills it proves how profesional u are...
no further comment! ....

I'm at a loss for words. Can people really be this close-minded and ignorant? I've eryxed many a jet, TV'd a few jets, tanks a jet or two. I'll tell you sir that I do not cheat. But I guess since I've done these things, like many other folks have, but you can't, we're cheaters. We see your type all the time.

And you're earlier comment of "what a way to talk to a server admin?". Do you have any fucking balls at all? Who the fuck is a server admin anyhow? Do they pay your paycheck? Or maybe you've just got your head far up their ass?

All hail the mighty server admin, supreme ruler of the universe.

If it turns out that being a server admin really means something, I putting that shit on my resume.

And how much experience do you have again? PBbans doesn't show but a few nicks/guids for you. You're only account with any time on it your H2O account, and you've got a whopping 920 hours. You're experience and opinion mean nothing.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Q-IC_H2O on January 12, 2014, 07:59:48 PM
well sir the first post was to the guy who pays the server thats why i say what a way to talk to a server admin...
but since u have no respect and end up with making a treath if u not unban server will be down at end of the month wtf is that a way to talk, i am just a regular in tits and taps but its free speech for all i saw this post and the way the guy the topic started is really a bad way...
+ what i said about the videos ofcourse its posseble to kill jets with tv or rpg but what the vid shows is total bulshit,respectless and really ignorant!
thats just my opinion of this hole topic
and a good advice to u instead of being a smartass show some respect to the people here and dont act like a 16 year old imature little kid!
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: durtyone on January 12, 2014, 08:08:47 PM
I'll respect you all day long if you're not a dumbass, and make choices off of fact and not because you're a chickenshit with no balls.

I respect people that actually know what they are talking about and not talking out their ass, kinda like you with all your experience. And how much experience do you have again? PBbans doesn't show but a few nicks/guids for you. You're only account with any time on it your H2O account, and you've got a whopping 920 hours. You're experience and opinion mean nothing.

Want respect? Earn it.

And trust me, I've got all the experience in the world to speak on respect. Got it kid?
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: DA1RYQU33N on January 12, 2014, 08:45:14 PM
@ Brandon,  First and foremost, REALLY, just REALLY?  Last night there were 7 or so of us on your server playing, we were evenly split on the teams.  The only way we would get together is when the server auto moved us, we wouldn't move over to stack.  So saying that we were stacking last night is false.  Secondly,  I find it funny that what I just read is that Players that are deemed to be too good get banned.  I get that you have the right to ban who you want but WTF?  It would be different if the server was going empty because of it, but the population was actually growing.  The server died once you banned them.  I guess this is the sign of the times... sad. 
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Hopplyte on January 12, 2014, 09:00:43 PM
It must be said that until last night I have been enjoying playing on T&T immensely. The maps rotations and the low ping have brought me back again and again. So thank you for that! This post started as a query of the mass ban issued last night to members of NM. After much thought it has evolved (devolved  ) into a commentary on our country and our society’s continuing descent into uplifting and rewarding mediocrity and the punishment of excellence.  My name is Hopplyte. You know me on the server as aXis|Nem3sis*. I have been playing this great game of BF2 since 2007. I remember seeing BF2 for the first time in a Best Buy here in Texas in 2005/2006. At the time we lived in a small city .I watched the employees play and asked many , many questions. After business hours they would pull up chairs and play for hours into the night. Every Friday night for two months I dragged my kids to Best Buy and just watched them play for 2 or so hours at a time. I was hooked. Not much later I liquidated some stock options, had a custom rig built and rationalized that it was for my business. It was really to be able to play Battlefield 2 on high settings.

What the people at Best Buy did not know, nor could they unless I shared it was that I had been a U.S. Marine for many years. I had been out for a couple of years at that time. What fascinated me about BF2 were the complexity, difficulty and effort needed to excel.  It was easy to just play and die every few seconds if that is what you wanted.  I was having fun doing that at first. But after a while that got really old. But if I wanted to WIN a structured approach was imperative.  I had to find out how to get better. I had to learn to aim and not just shoot in the specific direction of an enemy (because that did not work 7 out of 10 times.) I had to figure out how not to get bombed by those damn jets or get killed time after time by the attack chopper.  You see, I was used to functioning at a very high level as a Marine. I had been a Force Reconnaissance Marine (1st Force Recon Company, 1st Surveillance, Reconnaissance, Intelligence Group, I MEF, FMF PAC (this info is provided solely as bonafides , more specific info is available upon request ) and had paid my dues to earn that title. I mentioned my past because the intangibles  needed to succeed in such a demanding cohort are present in  those who cleanly achieve elite proficiency and results in BF2( indeed as in any sport as well).  There had to be a way to get better and someone knew it and was successfully implementing. Just looking at the scores at the end of the round and never seeing my name in the top twenty but seeing other names repeatedly told me there was a way to get better! I had done what many of these “kids” would never do. I had skills that could surely allow me to “own” and “pwn”  instead of continuing to be owned and pwned. If I was going to continue to play, I  had to find a better way. 

In the midst of February, when many parts of our country are still firmly in the grasp of winter, an annual ritual takes place. Hundreds of individuals pack up and head to their designated places of duty. Some are support specialists who provide and maintain the equipment that will be used. Some are reporters who will observe, report on , critique, predict and analyze. Some are scouts who will also observe and peruse. Their jobs are to provide actionable intelligence on the adversaries they will soon face in battle where the stakes are not lives but acclaim and lucre. Weaknesses, strengths, tendencies and standouts are catalogued and transmitted. From that information strategies are formulated and plans of battle are drawn. And finally but certainly not least, two key classes of combatants arrive. Around them, the battle lines will be formed and the cadences of the coming battles dictated. They are the pitchers and catchers of Major League Baseball.
These men and their soon to arrive colleagues have spent a lifetime striving to be professional ball players. It is estimated that only one in 30,000 will ever play in the Major or minor leagues. Of those, the one who will have enduring careers will be far, far fewer.  Their dedications, luck, effort, sacrifice and talent has gotten them here. They have devoted tens of thousands of hours to their chosen profession.

Spring time is a time of beginnings. The birds are singing , winter is almost over and in many towns and cities in America,  it is a time of renewed hope.  Spring Training has begun. Maybe THIS year the Cubs will finally win the World Series(no probably not, lol).  This will be the year we make the playoffs. This will be the year have a winning season. The expectations at the formerly named Legends Field in Tampa, Florida are very different than the other 29 MLB teams. This is the Spring Training home of the hated New York Yankees. The Yankees have been called the “Evil Empire” by their arch rivals the Boston Red Sox. Teams decry their ability to outspend all but a few.  Generations of fans grew up lamenting the failed challenges against those “ Damn Yankees”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damn_Yankees_%28film%29. For many it is a family tradition. For many years here in Texas the Rangers vs. Yankees game would sell out  and the Rangers fans  would be vociferous in their hatred of the Yankees and tepid in support of their team.

And yet I had to ask myself “How did the Yankees get so good?”  The answer to THAT question will permeate to many other areas of life including and up to the mass  banning of NM from the T&T server and many other servers. When the Yankees report to Spring Training, their expectation is vastly different from that of the other twenty-nine MLB teams.  Right off the bat so to speak they are told what the expected standard or achievement is. It is not to “have a good season”. It is not to finish above .500. It is not to make the playoffs. It is not to win the pennant. The standard is to win the World Series! Nothing less is expected. How haughty you might say, how conceited, how full of themselves are these people ?  Now ask yourself this question, what is the expected standard for YOUR team? What is the expected standard of performance and achievement for your baseball, football, basketball, ice hockey, soccer, and softball or bowling team? What about your place of work, your business or your company or department? What is the expected standard of performance there?  Do they EXPECT to win? Do they demand top performances EVERY game? Do they spend THOUSANDS of hours playing ? Do they get instruction from proven performers and then practice, practice, practice against better players. If so they will INEVITABLY improve. Do they learn situations and patterns which occur over and over and then learn how to react so that speed of action married to muscle memory occurs instead of doubt, panic and unsure action ? Does your team willingly identify it’s weaknesses and then aggressively train to improve those weaknesses? Does your team know each other so well that they can move and react in non-verbal synchronicity and lethal efficacy? What we play out round after round after round in BF2 is a microcosm of what happens every second the world over in commerce , national defence, education, sports and life. Do we want our children to be just “okay” or better than we were? Do we want their  education to be mediocre, okay or excellent? Why do we want that? Do we want our cities, countries, institutions to be bad , mediocre, okay or better. THAT is the essence of the competition we play out on a BF2 server. Why do we T-bag? Is it no to say ”hah, I got you, I am better this time?”

What many do not know is that when George M. Steinbrenner bought the Yankees in 1973 he paid a net amount of 8.8  million dollars. Even adjusted for inflation that is a paltry sum for a major sports franchise. The storied days of Joe Dimaggio, Mickey Mantle and Roger Marris were distant memories. They had been in decline for many years.  In 1977 they were once again champions. It had been eleven years. All together they have appeared in the World Series a whopping 40 times and won 27 of those.  The teams closest to them are the St. Louis Cardinals with 19 appearances and 11 wins and the San Francisco Giants with 19 appearances and 7 wins.  Today, Forbes magazine has the Yankees tied for third globally at a value of 1.85 billion dollars just behind Manchester United at 2.2 billion and Real Madrid at 1.88 billion. Behind the Yankees in that list are the Dallas Cowboys, Washington Redskins, Los Angeles Dodgers , New England Patriots and Barcelona Football Club.
Well what the heck does this have to do with the T&T server and the NM ban you ask? From a perspective of nade spamming , T-bagging and Strike At Karkand not much at all. But from the perspective of  looking at organizations that perpetually achieve winning results, much can be learned.

It is painful to honestly reflect on my true thoughts back in my early BF2 days. It was the Golden Age of Battlefield 2. Scores of servers were online and full of pubers. I eventually settled on a favorite, the War Machine No Hop infantry only sever. Infantry only so there was no artillery or worse aircraft or tanks to ruin my fun. And no hop because shooting the bunny hoppers was a frustrating and mostly futile exercise. In truth I was a great “team player” and a nice guy but I was not very skilled otherwise. As a regular I enjoyed an excellent reputation with the admins and became an admin myself. The server owner and I became friends. I had access to CC and kept an eye on things.  But secretly I was fearful when “certain “ players  joined. I tried to be on their team so I would not have to face them and inevitably lose. When other players would initiate votes  to kick those I was afraid of I would vote yes. I even stooped so far as to kick them “by mistake” , forcibly team switch them and kick them for hopping when they had not. In short I actively harassed them because they were much better than me. I was ashamed of some of the things I had done.   I then met a player who seemed to effortlessly excel at the game. He was always number one or two at the end of a round.  As we were in squad together I started to REALLY observe how he played and what he did. I got better. I swallowed my pride and asked for instruction.   I learned about my k/d. It was terrible to say the least. I learned how to “stay alive”. I learned when to run away and when to stay and fight. (I had never done that before.) I learned how to “move” instead of just run straight. I learned how to aim, about hit boxes, jumping over and climbing objects, hiding places, video settings and audio settings. I learned how to keep calm and control my adrenaline, emotions. That had a real world correlation I could connect to because adrenaline and emotions do negatively affect shot placement. I learned about server latency .  I actively sought to go up against the better players. I learned from those encounters. My improvement was dramatic. I went from a below average player to above average and then from above average to very good. I shared what I was learning with my clan mates.

As this was happening the political landscape at WM was rapidly changing. The server had become extremely popular. Some of that can be attributed to our clan =1A=.  People enjoyed playing with us. We played religiously, we revived quickly and we mostly won. And winning a hard fought round is so much better than losing! WM was actively recruiting and their ranks swelled. As is human nature and much like the path I followed, becoming well known and liked was much easier than becoming skilled.  Additionally the admins were becoming younger more immature. Admin abuse was common.  The incidences of skilled players and players in general being kicked for trivialities and made up offenses began to increase. We (=1A= ) along with some then Si| players became the cause of complaints. We played extremely well together we excelled. A few of the older (late fifties and even sixtyish) WM players who were not very skilled but were respected made it clear we were no longer welcome there. The arguments might be familiar to some of us. We have heard them all before. They ranged from us “causing players to leave “ to us being cheaters and everything in between. The older players rationalized that there were other places to play and they just wanted to be left in peace. In the end we walked away from the WM and never went back. Funny enough though,  when we left the lack of admin oversight and equitability continued as we knew it would. Not long afterward the WM server ceased to host even an average of 20players. That was pre 2009.

We have seen many servers follow that same trajectory! Popularity , followed by a swelling of membership, followed by a reduction of average player proficiency ,followed by a loss of oversight regarding admin actions, followed by an increase in admins being disrespectful to players , followed by a decrease in equitability toward players followed by average server number decline. Some notables are FUB, BS, dA!,BiG just to name a few.
Right after that wide and unfair banning of those players last night I was shocked and quite angry. The reasoning proffered for that was in the least erroneous and at its most egregious just plain lies. Instead of just coasting I decided to “really “ play. Thanks to another =1A = providing some timely revives I was able to end up 32-3 for that round. During that round Simmy remarked that if it wasn’t for my ping he would “ban my sweaty ass” or some such statement. I humbly ask why?! Why? At the least this smacks of dictatorial fiat (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/fiat) . Such behavior begs the question what else goes on here? If such is tolerated to a player who has thus far done NOTHING wrong then others will quietly take note and just opt NOT to join your server. They won’t post or complain. They will just cease to come back. That may not be a concern to you but it must not be ignored.

Finally, to the question of your server being emptied and “regulars” being “driven away”. This game has been around for almost a full decade. The average proficiency of the regular player has increased dramatically. But the separation between the skilled and the mediocre will not be erased. Those who chose to become students of the game will continue to excel. It is thus with anything in life. There is a VAST TORRENT OF INFORMATION ON HOW TO BE A BETTER BF2 PLAYER. It is all over you tube. It is on forums. Is it possible to shoot down a jet or a chopper with AT missiles? Yes. What is the best way to kill a tank? Can a tank be killed with one shot? Yes.  How? How do I replenish my shock paddles faster? Where is the best place to aim at another jet in a dog fight? Where is the best place to aim my TV missile at another chopper? How do I aim my bombs in a jet?  Who shot JR? Where is Hoffa buried? Other than the Hoffa question all these others and more can be answered with some patience and research.

 As I type the NFL playoffs are on. Teams unashamedly fight to dominate their opponents. We cheer them on if it is our team. If it is not we have a myriad of reactions. That can range from tears to anger to disgust. Perhaps the next time our team is being dominated we can call in and get the offending team removed from that arena of competition. The next time our driver is losing we can get those in front black flagged. The next time our company comes out second or third best we can level the field by having their product removed from the shelves. Where does the insanity stop? Where does it end? In Battlefield we play at WAR. WAR!......So if the competitor is not cheating and we objectively know this should we succumb to Soccer mom rules and “call a time out” or stop scoring or remove the better player? Unfortunately our national and global trend is yes!  Instead of get better and try again it is rapidly becoming “bullying” and “unfair”. We are losing our masculinity and ability to deter aggression from those who would truly prey upon us. We are becoming “Oprahfied” .  Will there be a time when we look back from  subjugated state and cry because we let ourselves be fettered by the allures of comfort and mediocrity? History says the answer to THAT question is YES! The soft tyranny being imposed upon us eventually hardens or we will be attacked by those who see us ready for conquest.

 Battlefield 2 will eventually go away. But the values of competition , hard work to improve and the satisfaction of seeing yourself get better through the rigor of discipline will never get old. Conversely, those would have us compromise ourselves so that their mediocrity can be considered average or even exemplary will slink back to whence they came never able to look themselves in a mirror because they will be cowards all their lives. The silence of all the servers killed by such behavior echoes hauntingly. And those who have destroyed them move on like locusts to destroy the next organization or institution.

As a Marine I have seen tyranny, the undisguised  variety and the misery and suffering it brings. And the soft tyrannies of political correctness slowly coalesce and eventually seek to crush all in its path. Sometimes it has succeeded.  It is rife in today’s society and can be readily found in local, national and international concerns.

The members of NM have shown themselves to be highly motivated, disciplined, team oriented, non cheaters.  They willingly take on ANY challenge mounted to bring their team to victory.  Playing with such has forced me to up my game and has made me better.

I close with this poem from Martin Niemöller. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller
 
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I did not speak out;
As I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I did not speak out;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
As I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I did not speak out;
As I was not a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
I CHOSE TO MAKE MY STAND AND BE HEARD HERE AND NOW !
 :cheers:
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Exumify on January 12, 2014, 09:05:48 PM
Can the people who this involves post here, and no one else, please.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Q-IC_H2O on January 12, 2014, 10:27:46 PM
I'll respect you all day long if you're not a dumbass, and make choices off of fact and not because you're a chickenshit with no balls.

I respect people that actually know what they are talking about and not talking out their ass, kinda like you with all your experience. And how much experience do you have again? PBbans doesn't show but a few nicks/guids for you. You're only account with any time on it your H2O account, and you've got a whopping 920 hours. You're experience and opinion mean nothing.

Want respect? Earn it.

And trust me, I've got all the experience in the world to speak on respect. Got it kid?

lol so 920 hours is nothing to u i dont know how much time u spend but outside this i got a life '' work girl etc'' and not like u 24/7 only bf2 but it doesnt matter even if u play this all day or 1ce a week cheaters are real easy to recognize...
oh ye and earn respect? let me tell u this i earn my respect with being nice friendly etc and not being a dick like u ,and no balls if u got balls tell this to me in my face we well see who got balls then  ;)
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Berserker on January 12, 2014, 11:16:46 PM
I'll respect you all day long if you're not a dumbass, and make choices off of fact and not because you're a chickenshit with no balls.

I respect people that actually know what they are talking about and not talking out their ass, kinda like you with all your experience. And how much experience do you have again? PBbans doesn't show but a few nicks/guids for you. You're only account with any time on it your H2O account, and you've got a whopping 920 hours. You're experience and opinion mean nothing.

Want respect? Earn it.

And trust me, I've got all the experience in the world to speak on respect. Got it kid?

lol so 920 hours is nothing to u i dont know how much time u spend but outside this i got a life '' work girl etc'' and not like u 24/7 only bf2 but it doesnt matter even if u play this all day or 1ce a week cheaters are real easy to recognize...
oh ye and earn respect? let me tell u this i earn my respect with being nice friendly etc and not being a dick like u ,and no balls if u got balls tell this to me in my face we well see who got balls then  ;)


H2O, you are dumb......We all have jobs, wife's, kids, girlfriend's, hobbies, etc......  We do not hack, you say it is easy for you to spot hacks?  You have probably seen
Bigfoot, and Aliens probed you right?  Or maybe it is because locked squads = hacks? You carry about as much weight as a gnat.  You were not involved in this so keep your mouth shut.  If you cannot shut it, let me shut it for you Mr. No Balls.  You might be a kid not sure, or a lame excuse for a man.  Either way stop trying to fix big boy problems, and fix yourself first.   Oprahfied sissy!  What is this country coming too!

"let me tell u this i earn my respect with being nice friendly etc." ......using less teeth and more throat......  You little limp wristed http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=limp%20wristed (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=limp%20wristed) pivot man http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pivot%20man (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pivot%20man).  Maybe I should buy a server then I could get in on some of this action..... Server Owner/Admin =[nM]= {RaGE}Berserker damn, look at those credentials
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: durtyone on January 12, 2014, 11:58:20 PM


lol so 920 hours is nothing to u i dont know how much time u spend but outside this i got a life '' work girl etc'' and not like u 24/7 only bf2 but it doesnt matter even if u play this all day or 1ce a week cheaters are real easy to recognize...
oh ye and earn respect? let me tell u this i earn my respect with being nice friendly etc and not being a dick like u ,and no balls if u got balls tell this to me in my face we well see who got balls then  ;)
[/quote]

I've seen more of this world then 99% of all these pimply face momma's boys ever will. Both my kids were born overseas. Happily married now for 17 years. Some of us don't lose our respect by kissing an admins ass.

You wouldn't want to see me in a dark alley. Don't want to tell your friends you got your ass kicked by an old man. I wouldn't want to see you in a dark alley either. You'd probably want to kiss mine.

And again you have no clue what you are talking about. You're right, you can spot a hacker when you've played a while. Most of them run around flat-footed with no clue, yet rack up kills. They don't try to take cover. The aimbots are the most easy to spot with the action of the gun "snapping" to targets. You saying, "oh, I watched your videos, you're obviously a hacker" is the part where you are "talking out your ass" because you're clueless to what a hacker looks like. Respect lost.

Find somewhere else to try to impress us with your vast knowledge and experience.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: durtyone on January 13, 2014, 12:22:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAp7VyGgqhc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAp7VyGgqhc)

Thought this was appropriate for the situation.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Berserker on January 13, 2014, 01:04:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAp7VyGgqhc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAp7VyGgqhc)

Thought this was appropriate for the situation.

Wow, that is perfect.  Just sums it up in 3 minutes.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: durtyone on January 13, 2014, 01:12:41 AM
Guess which one is H2O?
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Exumify on January 13, 2014, 02:18:18 AM
H2O, you shouldn't have responded in this topic, as it is very off-topic now.

And you -nM- guys shouldn't respond to his posts in the way you're doing it. It doesn't make you look better for your ban appeal. I'm trying to stay as impartial as possible as I know where you come from with the competitive aspect.

From now on, any post that is not about the ban appeal, I will delete so there's no use in responding to one anothers trash talking.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: ZJbrandon on January 13, 2014, 12:16:21 PM
thanks, exumify.

@Hopplyte
Thanks for taking the time to share your life story/insights and philosophies.
I seriously think you should consider adding to that post and publishing it on Amazon titled "Zen and the Art of BF2 Gameplay"
Who knows, might be able to make some cash on the side.
Under different circumstances, and if I had the spare time, I could see enjoying shooting the shit with you over some beers.

One thing we all have in common here, is a love for BF2.
It sounds like many of you have experience being an admin. Well, you'd know that no matter what you cannot please everyone.
Some players may disagree with the bans we made, and choose to play elsewhere.
Other players may continue returning because they are glad to see them gone.

The admins here know well that I am likely the most lenient, and slow to react when admin'ing.
I have multiple admin guidelines reminding them to be as objective as possible and not make us look like power hungry little bitches.

Our server, our rules.
When I play on FW's server, i have to remind myself not to climb ladders or god forbid Teabag someone.
Maybe I think some of their rules are pretty ridiculous, but it doesn't matter one bit.
Their server, their rules.

________________

Regarding most of the other posts and trash talking, I see now that the nM guys must not be interested in being unbanned.
You gotta be out of your mind if you think that the Admins I direct here to get caught up on the situation are going to read this garbage, then sympathize and want you back in our server.
Especially since this comes from a clan with so much "integrity".
There went that.

From the names we know you all as, none have been seen enough to know our server's population rhythms enough to think your presence was such a benefit, and your absence so detrimental.

Why don't you already have your own server, one that caters to all the super badass BF2 players that have been unjustly banned from servers by all the lame admins?
Just do it, already.


Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: durtyone on January 13, 2014, 02:00:34 PM
Come on Brandon. Trash talking is trash talking. Give merit to people that are true to themselves, who don't fold and betray their convictions. So I call someone out on their BS. So. Would it be better to stand by and say nothing, as though I don't really mind false information being said? And do I really have to get super, sick to your stomach nice and tell you that the info is false. That's not who I am, and I won't become someone I'm not to adjust to someone else's style. I can tone it down a bit, but that all depends on who I'm dealing with. But you're still going to get me.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: ZJbrandon on January 13, 2014, 02:22:30 PM
Yea, maybe QIC was a little out of line posting, and i understand you feel an injustice, but being a dick in our forums is obviously not going to help your case.
Surely, you are smart enough to understand that.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: ZJbrandon on January 13, 2014, 02:55:36 PM
oh, and a reminder:

even though I am the one who issued the ban (with agreement of the admins that were present),
it's not just me in this decision making.

if you had the majority of my admins convinced that you should be unbanned, i would allow it.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: durtyone on January 13, 2014, 02:58:29 PM
So be nice to people who make decisions without knowing the facts, who speak on subjects they nothing about. Basically be nice to morons and Democrats.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: ZJbrandon on January 13, 2014, 03:08:23 PM
Admittedly, i did LOL on that remark, but please leave the political slams out of this.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: gsxr1300r on January 13, 2014, 03:33:56 PM
Well as another head admin.... I will need to review the br files. Brandon can you pm me or text me the date of this incident? Was my long weekend to work so I am just seeing this.

From what I have skimmed over ignoing the nearly two page post ... I haven't seen enough. I will be on later tonight playing as I am off tell Wednesday night .

Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Puffytron on January 13, 2014, 06:14:54 PM
Hopplyte, Durtyone, ete al,

First of all I want to thank you for your service to this country!  My brother and sister were both marines and would not let me join as they called it "the suck". 

I agree with you in many regards to this quote "As a Marine I have seen tyranny, the undisguised  variety and the misery and suffering it brings. And the soft tyrannies of political correctness slowly coalesce and eventually seek to crush all in its path. Sometimes it has succeeded.  It is rife in today’s society and can be readily found in local, national and international concerns. "   

However we are not trying to pander to anyone's agenda and here at Titsandtaps the golden rule applies, "He who has the gold rules!"  We are also about having fun and do what we can keep it that way and if removing people who we feel, well it is our sand box!   I can appreciate your attitude and commitment to hard work and squad play. 

I am complled to vote to allow everyone back on, but in light of the nM responses, err.....  Again I am only one vote of several admins.  I can understand being pissed at being banned and that is fine to attack with candor.  But some humility in responses and an example of tact would certainly show the "Espirit de corps" and an example of leadership in which you and your friends are referring and alluding to. Smack talking about respect and comparing and contrasting and judging life/gaming experiences in the manor in which your friends of nM did here is sophomoric at best.

What really do you guys want?  an opportunity to be able to play on the server again?  or do you want a penis measuring contest ? Not interested in the later!  We are not asking anyone to pander or kiss ass to the admins! As you should have been able to tell from Senior admin ZJbrandon's response to you.  Member Q-IC H2O's response was his "right to speech" on the forums but he was not part of the debate or decision to extricate nM from TNT.   Yet others chose to belittle and harass someone who believes that you are less than ethical and feels that you could be hacking.  Then took it an extra measure telling him to "earn your respect."  Really?   And my personal favorite " So be nice to people who make decisions without knowing the facts, who speak on subjects they nothing about. Basically be nice to morons and Democrats." ........Really?

If you gentlemen really want something different that to just bitch, moan and berate members opinions and insult us, lets us know! 

We already know we are a motley crew of opinionated, t-bagging,  "stuck up, half-witted, scruffy-looking Nerf herder"s who couldnt give a flying fuck.  We dont need you pointing it out to us!

We are happy to listen, if you communicate nM's intentions with some tact!   :cheers:


For your listening Enjoyment!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQiI5k8FS7A
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: durtyone on January 13, 2014, 06:37:17 PM
Alright, so shit-talking and standing our ground aside, can we all agree that the gist of what we are all saying has its merits? Yes, it is your server, and you can do what you darn well please.

What I offer is this. With the randomize on, let players play were they end up. If it happens that nM gets a majority on one side, so be it. Maybe one compromise is that they can't lock their squad, and encourage them to "teach" the few that end up in their squad a little teamwork, and how to work a team over. At the same time, it creates an environment for better matches, with nM mixed up on both sides.

And there are other players that can hold their own against these guys, especially when they work together. They are not infallible.

When I'm up against players that are better than myself, it drives me to find a way to defeat them. I change tactics, or try to create a good squad. It's not always successful, but it doesn't change my drive to improve and adapt my gameplay.

And to make it clear, I am not nM. I am 1A. We are probably the biggest allies for nM, since we play together most nights and yuck it up on vent at the same time. I am only here because I was on that night when they were banned, and I could not in good conscience stand by and say nothing about a perceived wrong. I would expect my friends to do the same for me, although I would never have to ask. The difference I would say between nM and 1A is that we are the scrubs of teamplay, and nM are the pros of teamplay.

I truly feel that this can have a positive outcome for both you and nM. 

One last thing (sry for being long-winded, although I don't hold the title). I will gladly donate to this server if you continue with your infantry only nights with the current map rotation. By far it is the most refreshing server out there with this setup, and set of common sense rules. However my first love for vehicle servers will remain with One Option. I would bet that some of my compadres might feel the same way.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Bert on January 13, 2014, 07:29:56 PM
The members of nM receive a lot of criticism from the remaining bf2 community. If it wasnt for our friends in 1A... we would probably have our own server that we can do and say what we want on. Simply because we would be banned from every server this game offers. We know what effort has to go into running a server, managing a website, and making sure to maintain a fair and fun place for other pubbers to play. We give you full credit for running a quality server on a fading game. We as players in nM, do talk a lot of shit. We do take things too far, often. But its just the group of guys we have. Besides, when we are talking shit, its in good fun and more or less to get a razz out of whoever it is. nM has always been competitive. We have always had a winning mentality. And to show no mercy for the people we are up against. Besides, this is war video game style.

Should you decide to unban us, like I said before, we are not going to change our game play to meet the needs of other people (dumb our game down) However, we will play fair. We will stay on the team the server has placed us on. We will help other people learn team play, and better themselves. We will follow rules. Refrain from talking too much shit in the server (we will still tbag) And we will provide a competitive, challenging gaming experience for anyone with and against us.

We hope you as a team can agree to allow us to play on your server again. All the best either way.

Post Script
I leave you with another youtube video of the worlds craziest hitbox
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJtOfq40yrk

Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Berserker on January 13, 2014, 07:42:10 PM
Here is the thing, The nM clan has gotten a bad rep over the years.  3 of us that were banned are fairly new to the clan.  This is the same story on every server.  The exact same story!  Look at it from our perspective, the game is dying and servers where ping is in our favor are becoming obsolete.  So every infantry server we find with a decent ping that all of us can play in is boner material.  We get soooo frustrated being banned for bullshit from EVERY server, it becomes hard to remain chipper when appealing a ban for the 100th time when we have broken no rules, banned solely on our game play.  Each and every one of us has donated to a server to help keep it running only to be stabbed in the back.  We are a bit bitter and frustrated.  I will not apologize for my post directed towards H20.  He was looking to stir shit up and instead looked like a fool in the process.  As far as your server is concerned Brandon,  You can/will run it as as see fit, but Just take some of the things that have been said into consideration.  You have team-stacking counter measures in place already.  We can be shut down as a squad (I will not share that recipe yet)  and I have noticed that when people on other servers get the best of us they LOVE it.  I have had so many sacks on my forehead and i don't feel mad at all, I think to myself,"good for you!"  Most people love the competition and if they leave because of it you are catering to a bunch of ^%@% by kicking us and letting them stay, they will be back here is nowhere else to play.  We will populate your server (as long as randomizing is turned on) more than a couple of whiners can.  People do follow us to play with or against us it is a fact.  Have a heart Brandon, let's make love not war.......
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Exumify on January 14, 2014, 12:45:29 AM
You guys doesn't seem like you want to get unbanned.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Puffytron on January 14, 2014, 12:47:45 AM
Berserker,

I realize why your not going to "share the recipe yet" , apparently you do not have one.

(http://s23.postimg.org/acwx5mpt3/screen7007.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/acwx5mpt3/)

Was the one person who voted to unban, I guess you really did not want to be unbanned here at TNT. 

Typical knee jerk reaction.


Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Berserker on January 14, 2014, 12:55:25 AM
You guys doesn't seem like you want to get unbanned.

Please un-ban us, I promise we will not be good anymore.  Find it in your hearts to let us play in your server again.  We apologize for playing the way we do and following every rule set forth, we will not do it again.  I will donate $$$ every month and even send you flowers.  :-*
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Exumify on January 14, 2014, 12:59:09 AM
I actually like playing against you guys, and really considered voting in your favor so you might get to play on TnT again.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Berserker on January 14, 2014, 01:22:23 AM
Berserker,

I realize why your not going to "share the recipe yet" , apparently you do not have one.

(http://s23.postimg.org/acwx5mpt3/screen7007.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/acwx5mpt3/)

Was the one person who voted to unban, I guess you really did not want to be unbanned here at TNT. 

Typical knee jerk reaction.

I don't follow, what is the screenshot supporting?
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Berserker on January 14, 2014, 01:33:00 AM

look, we have said what we need to say and so have you.  The longer we bicker, the more angry all of us will get, which is not constructive in this matter.  We all know you need time to discuss the situation, so we are done posting until you reach a decision.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: FISTICUFFS on January 14, 2014, 01:43:23 AM
I actually like playing against you guys, and really considered voting in your favor so you might get to play on TnT again.

Yeah, and I would lift the ban I placed on you in One Option if you choose to unban us. It's simple. You denied us the chance to play in your server and you have every right to because like you said, you pay for it. Same goes for me. I help pay for One Option and I have that right to deny people from playing on One Option for whatever reason I deem fit. Were you not warned that this may occur if you join One Option's server?

See, the problem here is that this game has very few servers left to play on and I've had it up to my eyeballs with the hackusations, shit talk, and unjustified bans from other servers, including this one. If there were still several hundred servers left to play on, I wouldn't have even said a word in One Option but there aren't so I think it's a pretty rational decision on my part.

Regardless of what else has been said by other people, I'm not here to put anyone down or gloat about my apparent retaliation. I am doing what I believe to be fair. So if you decide to unban us from your server, then I'll gladly lift your ban from One Option, no sweat. If not, then I think you get the picture.

-RaGE.thE-35th
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Puffytron on January 14, 2014, 04:49:37 AM
Ironically, you banned the three guys whom stood up for lifting the ban on nM.  Nothing says please "unban us" from your server like "banning  us on yours"!
 “Don’t underestimate the value of irony—it is extremely valuable.”
― Henry James, Washington Square   
ZJbrandon is whom banned you and he will have to unban as it is his server.  Your initial duchy-mic-duschter responses, ladened with penile measuring and chest pounding, pretty much turned most admins off.  Like that was a big surprise! duh!  Thought you got the memo: guns holstered, ok!  Apparently the tcp/ip ack packets got dropped. Now we are sitting on a Catch 22, Mexican Stand off,  like the gun fight scene in True Romance.  Just as us 3 admins were doing our magic to appeal to the other admins since of compassion,  you had to go and cock-block it!  We were all discussing on how that after the last few posts were of someone with logic and not just an emotional douch-e school child.  The posts were not just an emotional rant but had a smattering of reason! Apparently we were wrong about the logic and thinking you might have some patients to let the process work.   :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tS_JBDRk8o0   (start at 4:30)

Tisk tisk, disappointing, but believe me none of us will lose sleep over this!


I grow bored of your insolence nM! See, way more people can be just as ironic as you! And much more amusing too!

Enjoy you feculent boo boo collisifers!


“Can`t you see that I`m only advising you to beg yourself not to be so dumb?”
― Titus Petronius Niger

“Would you like me to [kill you] now?" asked Snape, his voice heavy with irony. "Or would you like a few moments to compose an epitaph?”
― J.K. Rowling, Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

“It is a tragic and agonizing irony that instructions once delivered for the purpose of avoiding needless offense are now invoked in ways that needlessly offend, that words once meant to help draw people to the gospel now repel them.”
― Rachel Held Evans, A Year of Biblical Womanhood
 

“It is the oldest ironies that are still the most satisfying: man, when preparing for bloody war, will orate loudly and most eloquently in the name of peace.”
― Alan Moore, Watchmen


“I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize.”
― Steven Wright

“In Paris they just simply opened their eyes and stared when we spoke to them in French! We never did succeed in making those idiots understand their own language.”
― Mark Twain, The Innocents Abroad

“There is a wonderful mythical law of nature that the three things we crave most in life -- happiness, freedom, and peace of mind -- are always attained by giving them to someone else.”
― Peyton C. March

“People who didn't need people needed people around to know that they were the kind of people who didn't need people.”
― Terry Pratchett, Maskerade

“The average man never really thinks from end to end of his life. The mental activity of such people is only a mouthing of cliches. What they mistake for thought is simply a repetition of what they have heard. My guess is that well over 80 percent of the human race goes through life without having a single original thought.”
― H.L. Mencken

“During the first day, curious at having outsiders among them, a long stream of inmates came over and talked with me. Remarkably, according to what they told me, nearly every inmate in the prison didn't do it. Several thousand people had been locked up unjustly and, by an incredible coincidence, all in the same prison.

On the other hand, they knew an awful lot about how to knife somebody.”
― Alan Alda, Never Have Your Dog Stuffed: And Other Things I've Learned

“So if there is something on the planet that is worth living for, I'd better not miss it, because once you're dead, it's too late for regrets, and if you die by mistake, that is really, really dumb.”
― Muriel Barbery, The Elegance of the Hedgehog

“Two roads diverged in a wood, and I took the road less traveled by and they CANCELLED MY FRIKKIN' SHOW. I totally shoulda took the road that had all those people on it. Damn.”
― Joss Whedon

“So, now I've been to see a drug counselor who told me I need to lay off the drugs and talk about my feelings, and a shrink who heard what I had to say and immediately put me on drugs.”
― Libba Bray, Going Bovine


............................... and, I 'm spent!
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: SEVERE-RECTAL-TRAUMA on January 14, 2014, 05:41:16 AM
Unfortunately this forum has seen its fair share of amateur novelists pontificating their plights in detail, and I am afraid this post may be no different. I have been playing BF2 since it came out in 05 I bought the disk(s) and have enjoyed the game ever since so I am no spring chicken when it comes to this game. My first encounters of the nM clan were back in 09-10 when I would play on the long gone BIB server. These guys would always show up conveniently after all the clan admin were gone late at night. A few experiences I still remember where 2-3 nM members would show up always on the same team and start serious tank pwnage. Making magical shots, spawn raping, you would have just enough time to take 2 steps after spawning and you were dead. No matter how many AT guys you would get together youd be dead before you could fire a shot. In most cases the pubbers would leave and bye bye for the server for the remainder of the evening.

Having played this game for this long I and many other long time players know that the things the nM clan do are complete and utter poppycock. There are limits to this game in its unmodified format, as well as limits to connection, ping, etc. Ive played long hours with some really awesome players who had thousands of hours in this game, and none of them can pull off the magical shots you nM guys do.

Before I got “Banned until futher notice” from 1 Option gaming earlier this evening there were other numerous shots where I heard 3 shots all of them to the head and died from relatively long range, all 3. This is more of the same poppycock that I witnessed on the day you all got banned. I am never going to buy the fact that the nM clan is clean, and by a bit of Googling neither do most of the clans and servers out there.

To quote Bert:
The members of nM receive a lot of criticism from the remaining bf2 community. If it wasnt for our friends in 1A... we would probably have our own server that we can do and say what we want on. Simply because we would be banned from every server this game offers.

To quote Berzerker:
Here is the thing, The nM clan has gotten a bad rep over the years.  3 of us that were banned are fairly new to the clan.  This is the same story on every server.

Even you guys are admitting that you get banned everywhere you go. Hmm anyone see a pattern here? Since its “hip” to include quotes in the thread I think ill include one from the man who gave us crazy hair, the atomic bomb, and other shit we still don’t understand http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alberteins133991.html 

All great things are founded on great ideas, this server motto: “A place to have fun, without all the dumb” is exactly what TitsandTaps is all about, not walls of text, or unreasonable hacker clans playing “ban” warfare. This entire ban appeal, and thread fall along the lines of “Dumb” and I believe I speak for most of the really cool people that play here. This nonsense is exactly what we are all trying to get away from.

So having said that it is my recommendation that your bans be sustained indefinitely, it is also my recommendation that you should also be banned from posting in this forum as well. Lets put an end to all the “Dumb” you all go play in your hackers paradise 1 Option Gaming. 

Now in closing, guys, it would be just simply cruel to leave my post right there without offering up some constructive advice that will help you all out in the future. Now your future will hinge with the talents of “Hopplyte”, so take care of this guy. That mofo’s got some writing skills. I agree with Brandon that he should get his novels published on Amazon. So heres what you do, you get Hopplyte to write a virtually endless series of novels regarding BF2 and sell them. You can then use the money to start your own server where you can circlejerk with all your clan cronies test out all your new hacks on each other and decimate any unsuspecting noobs into submission that happens to make their way into your server, as well as ban anyone who even thinks the word “hacker”.

Since Hopplyte closed with a poem, I thought I would give you guys a kick start into the novel writing industry by providing a few titles to get the creative juices flowing. Don’t worry I wont be seeking any royalties, its really the least I could to, ya know after being banned from 1 Option Gaming and all.

Titles:

-BF2 hackers guide to online gaming
-How to get banned on every BF2 server except the one your paying for
-Join a clan that is synonymous with hacking, a step by step guide
-How to write compelling ban appeals
-Banned? Ban back!
-Life after the Ban, learning to live with 1 server
-Coping with Bans disease (What to do when youre just too good)

My all time favorite:
-Impossible TV Missile shots (Co-written by FlyBoySoviet)
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Bert on January 14, 2014, 06:59:23 AM
I didnt read all the shit that was typed in your long responses. So if it was of any importance, will you please shrink it down significantly. I did read the shorter one though so if you want us to keep being assholes just let us know. Im pretty sure we have said previous if you came into 1OG we are admin and do have the authority to ban you if we want. The group of us discussed it when you joined the server, as did you. And as a group, we decided to ban you while you come to a conclusion if it is fair to ban us from your server for no reason at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-iH4Gkgr5A
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: ZJbrandon on January 14, 2014, 10:23:31 AM
well fuck.
early yesterday evening i saw a few reasonable posts (finally!), that i bet were poised to rally some peeps here to vote in your favor.

now, this morning i see that it pretty much went to shit again.

looks like we are still at square one, with a few retaliation bans thrown in for flavor. (guys, they did say they would do that early on)
i've already said that if the majority of admins/members here ask me to un-ban, i would, regardless of my own suspicions.
they are experienced and trusted to the point i will allow them to overthrow my own bans.

I have only received votes from a portion of those i would like input from, but it doesn't look good so far.


_________
oh, and SEVERE, your post just earned
MOST EPIC POST EVER.
 :cheers: :flipoff:
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: durtyone on January 14, 2014, 02:59:17 PM
Smooth move. You knew what would likely happen if you came to our server. I'm not a big fan of the bans, and I'm not sure if they'll hold, but for now, they stay.

Why, why the fuck did you test these guys?

And severe, while I find the post entertaining, again, nM is not synonymous with hacking. Maybe that's the perception, but if you spent time playing with them, you'd know, like me, that it's just false. But likely, you'll just believe what you want. Just like all the other little kiddies that play on One Option who get butt hurt when they've just installed the game and can't figure out why they suck. Ohhhh, I've spent 500 hours playing, there's no way you shot me?

If this continues to be the mentality of the likes of you, then all is lost here, because you've obviously made up your mind already. What is sad is you'll spread your supposed knowledge of what you think is the truth and poison the minds of others with your agenda. Kinda reminds me of how Democrats get votes. It's easy to get people on the "they're hackers" bandwagon, because they don't know any better, won't take the time to educate themselves, and will believe the first thing anyone tells them. Sure, that's it. They must hack. No way someone gets that good.

Way to perpetuate the demise of this country. My guess is that you as well were duped into believing this garbage. Why, because there isn't a shred of evidence to support the notion, other than hearsay.

Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: ZJbrandon on January 14, 2014, 03:45:17 PM
maybe they wanted to spend some time playing along side you guys to help form an opinion on whether they should ask me to unban you here.
did you think of that possibility?

i've seen tons of REALLY good players over the years, and it's usually the dick attitude that goes with it that is way more infuriating than the fact they have spent more time learning how to own everyone.
you guys are a good example.
if you are are that good, congrats. You've won the game. Why not go try something else that's more challenging?
Is it really that rewarding completely owning everyone and everything?
The guys with only 500 hours might just want to play and learn, which is really hard to do when supreme veterans run over them with so much leet skill.

We all know many of the players still into this game are veterans, but on our server, we have a spirit of gameplay unlike players like you guys.
We want players to have fun. Period.
I don't give a fuck how many kills I get, or if I am on the winning team.
Myself, and most of my members will regularly switch sides, or hold off capping flags, for the purpose of keeping the fun going.

I suspect there is little of this spirit around you all, it's all pure ownage and look how awesome i am, I OWN ALL YOU NOOBS.
Not fun, imo.

contribute to the country's demise?
gimme a fucking break.
quick reminder: IT'S A GAME.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Hopplyte on January 14, 2014, 03:48:34 PM
@ SEVERE
"Having played this game for this long I and many other long time players know that the things the nM clan do are complete and utter poppycock. There are limits to this game in its unmodified format, as well as limits to connection, ping, etc. Ive played long hours with some really awesome players who had thousands of hours in this game, and none of them can pull off the magical shots you nM guys do.

Before I got “Banned until futher notice” from 1 Option gaming earlier this evening there were other numerous shots where I heard 3 shots all of them to the head and died from relatively long range, all 3. This is more of the same poppycock that I witnessed on the day you all got banned. I am never going to buy the fact that the nM clan is clean, and by a bit of Googling neither do most of the clans and servers out there. "


Dude ,
Your anecdotal "proof" is non existent ! You are spreading unsubstantiated falsehoods and passing it off as truth.  I routinely use single shot as do many others. Full auto is used less than half the time.  Three well aimed shots to the head are more than enough to dispatch an opponent. And many of us have learned to focus on the head. And auto still means limited bursts so muzzle travel is lessened. That is muscle memory for us. I don't know what you consider "long range" but even the pistol and shotguns can reach out quite a distance. Find a quiet server and an appropriate target such as a door or air conditioner. The quality of your video card will determine how many impacts are visible. Back up , pick your bullseye and shoot five or six shots.  Run to the target and look at your impacts. Now do that starting with your back to the target and jump/turn/ shoot. After a while you should see some improvement in your groupings.  That should get you on the road to understanding how that happens.  Your closed and made up mind says alot. And on the humorous side, if your head wasn't so BIG it wouldn't be so easy to headshot you.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: Hopplyte on January 14, 2014, 04:04:06 PM
Overall a few on both sides of this debate have spouted off.  But I would be remiss in failing to note that  many the of T&T people have been quite cordial , Brandon and Exumify to name two. That is appreciated. I urge all of us to follow that example as best we can. Unsubstantiated anecdotes DO NOT help to further this discussion. As the video of the jet being hit with an AT missile shows , there is much about this game which would seem like hacks but is really just knowing what and how to do.
Title: Re: Banned from server
Post by: ZJbrandon on January 14, 2014, 04:10:04 PM
absolutely!
i can't help but say it.

I thinks it's too late.

instead of just asking to be unbanned, and waiting for us to regroup and vote,
it went to all kinds of useless bragging, threats, and garbage.

I feel like I'll be wasting my time asking if they think these nM's should be unbanned, but since i said i would, i will follow through.

i almost locked the thread multiple times, because I find it extremely hard to believe that my members are going to vote in your guys favor after reading this crap.

I'm locking it now.
If any members think it needs unlocking, please PM me.
Title: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: Bert on January 14, 2014, 04:34:28 PM
a few things have now pissed me off. I did read all the posts recent to mine, again. Mostly because I dont give a fuck anymore.  The point of us banning you guys was to show what its like to be banned FOR NO FUCKEN REASON. You run a hardly populated server in a dying game and then you go out and clan ban a bunch of guys that will help populate your server. Also, ARE YOU FUCKEN STUPID. TEAMPLAY? HOLD OFF ON CAPPING FLAGS? NOT CARING ABOUT HOW MANY KILL YOU GOT? ARE YOU FUCKEN KIDDING ME.  First, not capping flags to WIN a game is being a bad team playing.  THIS FUCKEN GAME IS ABOUT WINNING THE ROUND BY CAPPING THE MOST FLAGS AND KILLING THE ENEMY. ARE YOU FUCKEN KIDDING ME? Also, I was not the admin the banned your member, I was there though.  I would say that I am pretty close with the main admins of 1OG and I am going to make it a promise that non of you stupid fucks are ever allowed on our server.

** I bet that sounds more like the response you are expecting, so it is the response I will give you.  At first when I came to your forum, it was to troll.  After reading some of the replies, you seemed like decent guys. So, I toned it down, and started being a little bit more reasonable with my posts. We gave you fair warning we are banning any of your members while this process unfolds. So WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU SURPRISED. I never really cared from the beginning, and I absolutely dont give a fuck now.

Good Luck with your dead server.

Post script
I fucken hate lady gaga but feel this is fitting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV1FrqwZyKw
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: Bert on January 14, 2014, 04:35:24 PM
. I did read all the posts recent to mine, again.
I didnt read them*, fuck that
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: Bert on January 14, 2014, 04:56:50 PM
After reflecting on my posts for a few minutes, I feel bad, and have returned to make things right. I said in a previous post, I would help people become better players. It was also mentioned we were unwilling to share the receipt to beat us. I am now going to share that with you.

Step 1:
Uninstall BF2
Step 2:
Go upgrade your pc if necessary
Step 3:
Install BF4

I have purchased BF3, as well BF4. It seems EA has listened to the community and made the game more "noob" friendly . People who play/played bf2 had the advantage by being good. They took the time to prefect their skills so they would have an upper hand on the battlefield. It seems, in EA's opinion, (same as yours) that being good is bad thing. Mostly because people get butt hurt and thus resulting in "admins" using their "power" to level the playing field. 

This is my genuine advice to you.  Serious!!! They have all kinds of point an shoot guns that require no skill at all and it is a much more even playing field for those that cant develop skill sets to excel.
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: Exumify on January 14, 2014, 05:25:54 PM
I had never been on 1OG before those 10 minutes of playing before I got banned, so I'm not very butthurt about it since I never play there. It was fun killing you even though you killed me a few times aswell. However, seeing that the odds aren't in your favor, and I will probably remain banned at 1OG, good luck elsewhere.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: durtyone on January 14, 2014, 05:36:30 PM
@exumify, have fun playing on a half filled server. I think we'll now just steal your idea and have infy only nights on the same nights, with your exact rotation. Should go over real well. Maybe even steal some would be players from your server. lol.

Who want's to play on a server of admin dicks that ban players that are better than them? You guys are how new? What a way to start off a new server.

Thought we were being dicks before. It's on to the next level now.

...and yes, your bans will remain. http://titsandtaps.clanservers.com/forum/index.php?topic=364.0
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: Bert on January 14, 2014, 05:37:59 PM
However, seeing that the odds aren't in your favor

 :cheers:

Have fun playing on your server with 4 people. I am going to play on mine with 52.
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: ZJbrandon on January 14, 2014, 05:42:03 PM
there's that integrity again, lol!
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: Bert on January 14, 2014, 05:43:53 PM
there's that integrity again, lol!
integrity is long gone out the window. this is full flame time
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: Berserker on January 14, 2014, 05:44:07 PM
We don't give a fuck about odds anymore.  We don't give a fuck about anything anymore.  Your server is dead the game is dead, except for the abundance of chicken shit scum bag's like you and your posse.  If I was in your face threatening to end your petty excuse of an existence, there would be no, "!B Bers unmodified content."  It would play out a little different.  If you want to just sit and tip the scales in your favor or when your server is completely dead, start up a lan party and add level 1 bots.  There you can sit and tug on each others puds until climax and boast about how you ban anyone that is better than you.  Fuckwads
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: Exumify on January 14, 2014, 06:02:57 PM
Hopefully there's someone in your clan that has the ability to speak without showing how big his dick is by linking videos of gameplay or threaten how he will end a server.
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: gsxr1300r on January 14, 2014, 06:07:24 PM
If he keeps it up i will BAN his ip from the forums.
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: ZJbrandon on January 14, 2014, 06:08:07 PM
bert, beserker, and durtyone have been removed from forums.
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: MOsEs on January 14, 2014, 06:12:03 PM



(http://s21.postimg.org/f90gg9elv/stop_pointing_at_my_dick.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/f90gg9elv/)
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: Exumify on January 14, 2014, 06:13:31 PM
LOL'd  :flipoff:
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: MOsEs on January 14, 2014, 06:15:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnjd2XOk78k
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: ZJbrandon on January 14, 2014, 06:16:58 PM
yeah, no hacks there!
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: gsxr1300r on January 14, 2014, 06:18:01 PM
Wow no recoil at all..... nice hack!
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: MOsEs on January 14, 2014, 06:19:54 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzBjXcbWMPA
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: Exumify on January 14, 2014, 06:22:13 PM
I want a chopper fight
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: |3and|t on January 14, 2014, 06:26:19 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcFZiRw7p_4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_cKgezNrpY
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: |3and|t on January 14, 2014, 06:27:26 PM
We would like a chopper fight also
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: Exumify on January 14, 2014, 06:46:55 PM
 :dueling:
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: |3and|t on January 14, 2014, 06:55:18 PM
The mentality that a fraps video of Moe's gameplay is proof that he's hacking just shows how little you people know and understand about BF2. It's a FRAPS video! If he was hacking, the hacks would be apparent in the video and clearly there is no form of hack running while he's playing. Instead of using the video as proof supporting high caliber game play you turn it into an excuse to carry on your witch hunt. I could say a million other things but there's no point seeing as how you'll just twist my words to suit your misguided point of view.
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: DA1RYQU33N on January 14, 2014, 06:55:34 PM
Here's the problem and why you are seeing all the flaming from Durty and all the NM guys.  Instead of just admitting like Brandon did and just say, you are too good to play here.  The hackusations start.  Now I can see where you get the idea that they are hacking, they get a lot of kills.  What you aren't getting is: 1.  Revives are key to getting lost of points and a great K/D.  I noticed that a lot of the guys that were in your server that night were playing engineer and at. Not really sure how that helps the team on an infantry only night but, okay.  2.  One good way to learn to shoot is to know where exactly to shoot someone to get the most damage.  Also, know how many shots it takes for different guns before they go down.  I suggest doing what we did, go into an empty server with a couple of friends and find out. 

I also saw a lot of references to the NM clan as breaking your server rules.  There are no rules that were broken.  They were playing as a team, and didn't go commander.  So everyone except for the banning admin should just admit it like he did.  They didn't break the rules, you just didn't like getting worked. I did have a problem with the lies that were spewed though when the ban happened in game.  There were several things put out that were lies, like they are globally banned from EA and that they have PB bans.  Well since I have admin access to PBBANS I know that as a lie, I'm assuming that either you didn't expect us to have that access and know or that you were told that and instead of checking just believed it.  That is what causes a lot of problems with good players in servers, someone lies and says they have bans and then it explodes into this.  Now onto my next topic,  No one threatened to take your server down, what they stated was just this,  there are not very many BF2 players out there anymore.  One Option has the #1 vehicle server and =E= has the #1 infantry only.  OTher than that, players are limited that will play in pub servers.  What they simply stated is by banning their clan lost you more than just the few that you banned for a couple of reasons.  They have more than just the few you banned that night, and you lost all their friends that would want to go play with them on your server.  You guys seem like nice enough guys, well the few of you that don't talk out your ass at least, but I just don't understand why you wouldn't want good players who can raise your skill level, while having fun.  I get it if your server allowed team stacking, but it doesn't, so it just doesn't make sense. 

And to my final thought,  your ban on One Option.  I am currently a Sr. Admin there, I didn't really agree with your ban at first on our server, but since you banned another Sr. Admin from your forums I'm inclined to let them stay.  You can always put in a ban appeal. Also, you stated since we have only played a few hours on your server that we don't know your population status.  Well I guess you don't go here much http://www.gametracker.com/server_info/68.232.165.11:16567/ (http://www.gametracker.com/server_info/68.232.165.11:16567/).
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: Hopplyte on January 14, 2014, 07:04:34 PM
Wow no recoil at all..... nice hack!

Wrong. No Hacks. Notice the short bursts ! Rarely is he on full auto for long bursts. That is why the M-16 and many other real life weapons have 3 round bursts. Even an uaccurized  AK is very accurate for the first 3 or four rounds before muzzle rise kicks in.

Also notice he takes time to look down his sights for medium to long range shots. "Smooth is fast" and he has obviously practiced much to improve speed and accuracy.
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: ZJbrandon on January 14, 2014, 07:18:42 PM
you make some good points, and i agree to some of it.

i hate banning on server and on forums, but if you post like they did, why be surprised.

and i do "go there" (gametracker) daily.

I , personally don't mind getting "worked", I don't play with the same perspective as many, obviously.


I can understand some are very competitive and and are there to seriously "game on".
on our server, it is more chillax, and about having fun.

as stated in our Server Rules, admins can remove players who come in and own the fuck outta everyone, especially when its in a chopper or jet. This philosophy is very different than some of you and that's ok.  A different style of gaming, for sure.
But it does not merit players bashing us as noobs who can't handle epic awsome ownage from a kick ass clan or player.

We like BF2, just as you, but we have different perspectives on "productive" time spent in the game.
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: gsxr1300r on January 14, 2014, 07:38:37 PM
Wow no recoil at all..... nice hack!

Wrong. No Hacks. Notice the short bursts ! Rarely is he on full auto for long bursts. That is why the M-16 and many other real life weapons have 3 round bursts. Even an uaccurized  AK is very accurate for the first 3 or four rounds before muzzle rise kicks in.

Also notice he takes time to look down his sights for medium to long range shots. "Smooth is fast" and he has obviously practiced much to improve speed and accuracy.

All pistols in this game have RECOIL.......
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: Puffytron on January 14, 2014, 07:44:39 PM
Good riddance!

(http://s18.postimg.org/zbi9v0e85/i_dont_always_date_douche_bags_but_when_i_do_i_t.jpg) (http://postimg.org/image/zbi9v0e85/)

Thanks ZJ taking out the trash!
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: Exumify on January 15, 2014, 02:20:05 AM
@dairyqueen, ZJ banned durtyone (i'm guessing that's who you are talking about) because he was threatening to steal our players and compete with us. Now, we know our server isn't very big etc and that 1OG will be way out of our league, but we do have a fair amount of regulars that likes our server. And seeing how someone comes along and threatens to "steal" players from here, especially coming from another Sr. Admin from your server, then I hope you can understand why he got banned from the forums?
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: Exumify on January 15, 2014, 02:22:17 AM
As for the other ones that got banned from the forums, I hope the posts they made speak for themselves.
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: Hopplyte on January 15, 2014, 04:12:49 AM
I had another post which responded to gsxr1300r and talked about pistol recoil and groupings. Has it been deleted? Or did I do something myself so it never showed up?
Title: Re: lock the tread...ill just make a new one
Post by: ZJbrandon on January 15, 2014, 06:44:52 AM
i don't know, but this one will be locked as well, and probably moved where it belongs, the trash can.

we don't cater to dicks.

they don't cater to pussies.

great.
so they like dick, and we we like pussy.


Edit:
second thought,
I think i will merge this topic into the main one,
and ask mod's to not delete it.
this way it can remain for others to see how we handled it, how they handled it,
and perhaps some insight to why they have a bad reputation.